Lyoness Australia – Soon to Open
December 4th, 2011
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European network marketing sensation, Lyoness, is launching in Australia in January 2012. Lots of excitement has been generated in Australia already.
Lyoness is essentially a cash back discount shopping club. It was founded in Austria in 2003. Currently they have more than 2 million members/customers, and 350 employees. The value of transactions is more than $3 billion a year, with more than 100 million products and services on offer (if you believe it). The company operates in 22 countries.
Somewhat reminiscent of auction shopping biz, Dubli, Lyoness in a way is like an updated version of Amway in that they have a large catalogue of name brand product and services. The difference being that Lyoness has a vast range of brand name offerings.
Recently Lyoness opened in the US, but at this point it is too early to say how successful it will be there. Europe is different to the US and Australia, so it is not possible to predict how successful it will be in Australia.
Lyoness Brand Partners
In Europe Lyoness has forged relationships with a myriad of brand partners such as BMW, Jaguar, Shell, Dell, HP, Panasonic and Ferrari.
The Cash back paid on purchases for members is not huge (it is 1%), but it can be more attractive for big ticket products such as cars.
Making Money With Lyoness
If you plan to review the Lyoness pay plan you will need the following aids:
- Large note pad
- Glass of Scotch
- Pain killers
This is because of the mind numbing complication of the pay plan. It’s a doozie. Most people will glaze over after watching the pay plan video.
Bottom line is that the margins are very small which means of course that any business builder will need big numbers of members to make good money.
The type of pay plan is a 2 X 2 matrix which means that a certain number of people have to fill the matrix (35 X 35) before a commission is paid, which initially would be the princely sum of $875. Matrix plans do not have a great track record so it is good to see a quality company such as Lyoness making it work.
You can start as a business partner for around $3,000 for the coveted founder’s position. To earn commissions you will be required to recruit 4 other business partners.
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Cheers,
Kim Willis
You’ve said enough, Kim. I will quote you, “Matrix plans do not have a great track record”. They are heavily weighted, like binaries, towards the heavy hitter. If you can’t recruit anybody, then you will never be successful (let alone make a dime) with a “matrix” plan.
I wish them all the best, but it’s going to be a tough go for the “Average Joe” to make money with a plan that expect a huge initial outlay. BTW, what does this “princely sum of $675″ get you? If it’s just an overpriced distributor kit with a few photocopied materials & some product samples, I’m not sold … and I’m sure that there will be fewer people than me, too!
Point taken Greg. Although to be fair they seem to have had great success in Europe. Will watch them closely.
Hi Kim,
you love to teach and you’re good at it – that is already 50% of the recipe to become a successful premium business member with Lyoness!
Now you probably wonder what the other 50% represent…
The Lyoness cash-back system? Nope.
The support they provide to business members? Not at all.
Huge initial outlay? No way.
If that had been the case, either everyone would have made big bucks with Lyoness in Europe or nobody at all. But as you could guess, the truth is somewhere in between.
Luck? You rather be kiddin’ as there is no such thing today.
The other 50% is information, the… right information in fact.
. They’ve actually been the most successful in turning the system into a business and social development opportunity for themselves.
If you ask ten blindfolded people to touch an elephant and then describe what that was, you would get ten different opinions (to say the least). And you will be nowhere near the truth.
As an European I’ve had the chance to talk with hundreds of people about Lyoness, but only a dozen knew the most relevant info about it – yet they were humble to admit there were many things for them to learn, especially on the pay plan
However those who once claimed they ‘knew’ the ins and outs of Lyoness, and how it works or what doesn’t, they have not had much of a success if any. Some of them are not even interested in buying Shell, HP, Dell and the like at a discount today. “I can afford the purchase, don’t need that joke of a discount” I hear from a few of them sometimes…
So Kim, to cut things short, you have quite an experience under your belt. Do you want to be successful with Lyoness? Not watch it closely from the side, but win from within.
It’s not easy, but it’s not difficult either. You’re strong at people interaction already, let’s do something together on the information side!
I’m there for you.
And Greg, there’s no ditributor kit, unless you want to count the petrol in your car tank, the bread & butter on your plate or the plane ticket to your next holiday destination!
That’s why it works for the average Joe…
But I liked the way you query things, so we could work together as well.
The bigger the Lyoness community, the higher the discounts negotiated with traders, the better for Joe’s pocket and for the children in need of education. Together we are strong!
Guys, 99% of aussies will simply be using this as a reward card to claim cash back. There is nothing more for them to “learn” or know.
For the 1% who are interested in this as a business opportunity : as with any business, one needs to work through the margins and put in some effort to turn a profit. In the end, someone will receive a cut (0.5%-1%) of everyones spending, I’d rather get a slice than try and fully understand the maths behind the conpany’s payout formula.
If it’s all too hard, just get a card and get the discounts.
This is just a prymind scam
not proven
fair comment
time will tell
Lyoness is not a pyramid or a scam it has a tuv Rheinland accreditation and Iso9001 so it does what it says on the tin that is why every country in the World is letting Lyoness in with flying colors.
For sure. People throw the scam word around so much that it loses potency. Any half inteligent analysis of the company will show it to be a solid and legitimate business.
Hi guys
I’m based in Brisbane and already business partner with Lyoness if you need more info or personal presentation on know how Lyoness works and what kind of opportunities it offers please feel free to email me at
blyonesspartner@hotmail.com
TUV accreditation simply means a company’s activities are not harmful to the environment or your health (although that’s stretching it, falling victim to an obvious pyramid scheme will at least significantly raise your blood pressure…) and getting ISO certification is easy as pie, as long as you show them a nice office and a whole ****load of binders with documented “procedures” in them, ie. something a half-conscious admin assisstant and average lawyer could accomplish in a matter of hours. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and promises to generate money out of thin air then it must be Madoff and 150 years in jail ver 2.0…
the great concept about lyoness is that it does not sell anything so it cant be a pyramid or scam,the loyalty partners the likes of walmart,tesco, Arcadia group,argos,boots,m&s,coles,etc sell their millions of products through their website and its free to join lyoness so there is no risk (so shoppers get your free cashback card and get 2%cashback with every purchase plus other benefits)Remember the loyalty partners are giving the discounts,if you need any more information on lyoness dont hesitate to give me an email on smooneylyonesseagles@gmail.com..
I have to say i went into this with all the questions above.
Would it work?
What would happen to my $3000 Au
Was it a scam?
But my wife and i have made almost $20,000 in the first 2 months.
I dont care what you say, in my book thats AWESOME!!!!
Since we have not sold a thing or taken ANY money of ANYONE
I cant think of an easier way to make that kinda money.
Sure if you do nothing you’ll probably get little. BUT what i think most people dont take the time to understand is how NO ONE loses in this.
Retailers generate significant additional MONTHLY income when customers arent even shopping with them
Shoppers get cash from stores they got NOTHING from before
and Business builders share in the overall pie for helping to roll it out
This is NOT Network marketing. Its the roll out of an alternative economy.
Im happy to show anyone the figures we are doing on this.
If we can make almost 20G in 2 months I cant IMAGINE what will happen to this when it goes national and Asian continental
Oooh by the way how can it be a pyramid or ponzi if no one is making money of ANY of the people they introduce.
ALL the money is made from your units maturing through the matirx
And that money comes from the % retailers give to lyoness on referral sales. Affiliate marketing !
This is the CLEANEST biz i have ever seen
BRING IT ON I say
P.s i am happy to share my experience and prove my figues but im not interested in spending hours convincing naysayers.
This is a short term project. We are project managers, the numbers are capped and time is limited.
it will be all over in 12 -24months. Bring on my retirement plan i say
excellent response Geoff
Hi Geoff,
I am interested in knowing how this works. How can I contact you??
Cheers…Craig
Hi all,
My question is not whether it is working in the uk or not, cause I’ve got friends there to confirm that the company exists and it does what it claims. What I’m concerned is that if its launching in australia, how come the official website have no announcement in that regards? How can one be sure that it would definitely launch in Australia? There has been other network companies which have said they wil launch in certain countries but failed to do so in the end. People need some more evident in Australia not evidence in uk and not just word of mouth that it would definitely launch.
Hi Geoff, I’m also interested in knowing more about it, how can i contact you? Myke
Lyoness Is the best opportunity that I have seen to date.
The small outlay is just a downpayment against future purchases and not ‘just money out of your pocket’ – its a committiment to the system. I made it back and more in my first month in the business. I joined it in November 2011 and to date have made over $12,000. Not a bad investment.
I have been taking to a guy in the UK who joined it 13 months ago and has now quit his job and is earning over 100,000 GBP per month. – This opportunity really works.
Follow the link at the end to see more information about it.
In Short:
You also get .5% of the purchases of the people that you introduce and .5% of who they introduce. (Its not a MLM)
In Phase one of the release they are going to spend a lot of money marketing it and give those who join early direct consumers.
They anticipate from the release in other countries that 5% of the population will join up quickly
eg. 1000 people join now before market release and they get 1 million people we all get 1000 consumers. If those consumers spend $1000 per month on petrol, groceries, travel etc
You would get .5% of that spend = $5000.00 per month income. The research in other countries also showed that the average consumer advised 5.2 friends or relatives to also get the cash back on their spending. So the 1000 people could quickly become 6000 people of which you get .5% of their spend. Same example = $30,000 per month.
It is big in Europe and has just started in the UK and the States and will be opening in Australia this year.
Have a look and it and if you are interested or want some more information please let me know.
http://youtu.be/1gJSIXoF_ec
Hi Everyone,
I’m also with Lyoness and am based in Brisbane. It works exactly the way Geoff and Jason have outlined above.
If you want more info you can email me at kevinjfitzgibbon@hotmail.com and I can provide you with documents/video files to read and watch via dropbox or email. Or arrange a time to discuss Lyoness.
Kevin
Hi,
I too like Geoff have done just over 15,000 in under 2 months and the lifeline as we call it is always growing.
I do alot of work training ppl I introduce and make sure they make the initial outlay back within 4 weeks!
If anyone needs a hand or wants to know more please contact me on john@focasfinance.com
Regards
Whoever wants to know how this works in Greece contact me. I am a business owner and i have registered recently. I have the appropriate tools to make it work for any business you have as a marketing media. Please feel free to click on my name and contact my email or phone +30 6932711771. I Can also show you the way to test all this without even investing a penny. In Greece this company has met great success in very little time.
just one clue…the company das not have any product or service to offer, so by the definition of direct selling/mlm…it is a scheme…i am from Europe and i can say that it’s all bull…open your mind before is to late…
Hi I am based in Darwin nt iam a business partner
With Lyoness You can get sum more Anyoue needs to know more please contact me at glyn.withey@yahoo.com
thanks glyn.
QRJHY1TZDJYQR I like it very much!
This business is in pre-launch in Australia, and I can tell you that it is not only legitimate, it’s absolutely brilliant in the way it attracts the right kind of people to create the word-of mouth buzz that will ensure a huge public launch when the time comes, and therefore great rewards for those people who have put in the effort.
As Geoff states above, this is a short term project. You’re involved in building and launching a fantastic business that works on a number of levels. It is not only hugely successful in Europe and other markets, but it is in business with some of the most well known brands in the world, such as Porsche and Apple.
If you’ve read Malcolm Gladwell’s book called ‘The Tipping Point’ you’ll certainly understand the power of this method of rolling out a business in a new market.
This is a business opportunity only for those who ‘get it’; people who are a bit visionary, entrepreneurial and know a great opportunity when they see it. If that’s you, and you’re prepared to put in the effort over the next 12-18 months, then it is an opportunity for early retirement.
I’m from Sydney, and if you want to know more about it, feel free to email me on Michael@successbydesign.com.au.
If anybody is intrested in the ten income streams from lyoness and wishing to sign-up with our team,whom are willing to help you succeed don’t hesitate and email myself on smooneylyonesseagles@gmail.com
Hi. If you are running a Lyoness business and would like any of the following websites, feel free to drop me an email at the privacy registrar at the WHOIS for the URLs listed next….WWW.LYONESSAUSTRALIA.NET/.MOBI/.BIZ/.CO/.INFO/.ME/.ORG/.TV/.WS AS WELL AS http://WWW.LYONESSNZ.BIZ/.COM/.INFO/.ME/.MOBI/.NET/.ORG.
Direct emails through the URL like this example
LYONESSAUSTRALIA.BIZ@domainsbyproxy.com OR
LYONESSNZ.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
NOT A SCAM AND THE BUBBLE WON’T BURST!
EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN LYONESS, FROM THE BUSINESS BUILDERS TO THE CONSUMERS TO THE RETAILERS AND THE CHARITIES WILL PROFIT FROM THIS SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS MODEL THAT HAS BEEN TRIED AND TESTED FOR 8 YEARS AND NOW IN 34 COUNTRIES.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THE SUCCESS THAT I AM EXPERIENCING, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME AT teamlyoness1@gmail.com AND I WILL SHOW YOU HOW TO FINANCIALLY SET YOURSELF UP FOR LIFE….
DANIEL DOYLE SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 0406752225
Dear All
After reading all the positive and negative comments I decided to write few words. Everyone bases their opinion on facts and data. Lyoness needs a proper explanation and surely proper facts. There are lot of people out there trying to tell you will be rich, how much money you will be making etc. but do not know Lyoness in detail.
Lyoness is the biggest shopping community in the world, you can certainly benefit as a shopper or as someone that dictates what piece of the market you would like to have.
Just wanted to clarify few things and I hope whatever you guys read and base your opinions on that those are really true and correct facts.
Should you have any questions or to make sure you are getting all the right information you can reach me at mario.hluch@gmail.com. If you like to reach me over the phone please email me.
G,day Everyone,
I have read and heard a lot of information about LYONESS, both positive and negative.
It appears th negative view is based on a lack of information and then is sensationalized in the public forum.
The positive view is based on people finding out the correct information and objectively assessing the opportunity, based on the facts.
Some of the facts are that Lyoness is a legitimate business in every country it operates and is highly successful in these countries. LYONESS IS NOT A SCAM!
The Lyoness system works for all those who work at it. This is NOT a get rich quick scheme, BUT you can earn a very, very comfortable income if you are prepared to do some work.
The remuneration system is generous and in essence is simple.
I am a Lyoness Business Development Partner. I am promoting Lyoness, and am passionate about Lyoness because I see a very bright future for myself and my family with Lyoness! I see the same bright future for all my team, because the help and support is there for all my team.
If you have any questions or enquiries I am here to help you and give you the CORRECT information. Come join my team for a bright new future!!
MARK BRADSHAW AUSTRALIA
Phone: 0414 37 89 84
Email: mark@lyonessrewards.com.au
Hi Lyoness is a great opportunity for the customer and the business members and I feel Lyoness is going to be a house hold name and the best loyalty system to hit our shores…
John and Jeff can i ask how you both generated those awesome figures in that time frame, my understanding is from the number of new business members you would of signed up but how many members did it take for you both to get, to earn those figures? Im Inspired ..
We are Lyoness Business partners and more than happy to share our knowledge and show you how you can be succesful with Lyoness.
We are available for workshops and training sessions throughout Australia.
If you would like more information about this exciting new opportunity, please contact us at jb.lyoness@hotmail.com
Hey after reading all of this I am so glad that I have just joined the lyoness team. My only question(s) how is it that you made successful contacts? What was the most successful ways I which you found. Have obtained 3 but would like to build it fast and well
It’s a very effective loyality program for your existing clients that if used wisely, can bring new clients to your company and give a boost. I am an owner of two firms in Greece and i can tell that it has great potential because it helps. In most countries around the world there are financial problems and business men looking new way of promoting their services. This idea of cash back is very innovative and gives serious motivation to the consumer to prefer companies that are registered. If you want to learn more about how it works and how it will work for your company or for you as a person, contact me. The most important thing is to choose a good upline to register to. It plays a very important role.
It’s also a huge opportunity for countries that start now… the ones who open the market, will be very lucky.
If you want to learn more, you can contact me anytime : mmingos@aktoweb.com, Skype: mike_mingos, msn: mmingos@aktoweb.com, mob. +306932711771.
My husband Peter & I are very excited with the launch of Lyoness Cashback Card in Australia.
We are Lyoness Business Builders in Brisbane and have seen first hand the passive income received by friends in this business. We will not stop till we get where we want to be.
This is no scam…nor is it Amway. If you have a positive outlook, have self belief, focus and are high achievers and teachable, please contact us and we will help you become part of this exciting business and become successful. The ground floor opportunity to join is NOW! This business is growing very quickly in Australia.
Email: mary@sheldonlea.com.au Ph: 0419666623.
What have you got to lose…..nothing!! Let us explain this business to you at our office over a coffee.
My wife and I are very succesful at Network marketing. We are already successful with another Network company.
Our interest in Lyoness is because some of our distributors have mentioned Lyoness and its Launching into Australia and we need to be able to provide them accurate information.
From our initial research it is obviously not a MLM business but a referal business. Everyone refers their friends to products and services that they feel they could recommend. The Entertainment book is one such service. Lyoness rewards you for not only refering people but also from using their system to purchase products and services.
The questions that we need answered is as follows:
When is the proposed Market release here in Australia to take place?
What is a Business Partner?
Who can become a Buisness Partner?
How many Business Partners are there?
Are there any Merchants here in Australia that are already on board?
Finally it’s coming to Australia,been waiting for 2 years.I’ve join in EU and USA and love it.Like others have said this is a big opportunity to get started.Some ppl can see the opportunity others are scheptical,can not win everyone,but for the ones that are willing to learn and find out more about Lyoness can contact me on 0414 838 415 I’m in Perth and more than happy to help.
Hello, Australia
It is true what they say. Lyoness is making a lot of noise in Europe. Chance of making an extra few hundred € or any more substantiate earnings every month is now given to all who can see and hear the evidents that Lyoness sistem itself presents. I come from Slovenia. I work as a mechanic. Don’t get me wrong, i love my job and am very proud of what i can do with my hands. But, i am happy to say, in a couple of years i will be able to say i go to work cause i want to not cause i have to.
I wish you all many great experiences with Lyoness. Remember, hard work & determination for a few years (depends entirely on how much a person will work on the idea) – still sounds better than working ourselves out in 40 years or more.
If anyone would like to experience life with Lyoness or, regardless of that, needs any kind info on the whole thing, please, do email me.
enjoy life whenever you can
Hi I am signed up as a Lyoness Buisness Builder in Aust and have already made profit from shopping through Lyoness. How amazing I purchased perfume online and to my amazement I got the sms telling me I had made 2 percent cashback on my purchase. Once in OZ we can go shopping directly at participating bus. Lyoness has a search engine where you write what you are looking for to buy and it tells you the participating bus within your postcode. I have also made profit through the company I keep getting cash put into my account for being a business builder.I cannot wait for it to offically open in Aust its going to be huge.If you would like more information on this amazing opportunity I am in the Melbourne Geelong Area feel free to contact me on
tandtlyoness@hotmail.com
Mon APR 2
THE DAY
Today LYONESS wil be Offically OPEN in AUSTRALIA PEOPLE get ready….
Hands on…
I would say make sure that you get involved with local people so you can get the support, knowledge and skill to grow and build your business in right direction….Avoid frustration..
For southside Brisbane please contact
blyonesspartner@hotmail.com
Together We Are Strong
facebook –
Lyoness Partner
Woolworths, Caltex, BIG W, Dick Smith, Domain, Harvery Norman just to name few of the Lyoness tradig partners… The beginning looks very promissing..
Hi all if your reading this mail well your in some way intreaged or interested and why would’nt you be the opportunity that someone else may do very well with this venture is not why you clicked onto this site or even taking the time to read this now. So no pressure it’s not for everyone .
You must spend the time and do the ground work to see the rewards that will follow . To talk to someone who was in two minds about getting involved without any pressure to pursue send details to
edcamilleri12@yahoo.com.au
I recently joined Lyoness and I am so excited about this business. I am Gold Coast based but travel extensively for work and am available to assist anyone that is motivated, driven and a self starter build their own financial success story. angelad@assetfinance.com.au
plz tell me about lyoness.. when lyoness biz starts in australia..thax
my cell 00923135700800
my skype id
javed2640
thanx,, rep pl.. ok
Im in South Africa where Lyoness has been around for a few months. My first presentation i went to i was clueless! Lyoness is all about information and understanding it. I have made all my initial outlay back !! Where is the risk… ? We have a planet with 6 billion people on it. If Lyoness only attracts 5% of those people, that is +- 300mil people shopping continuously for everyday items. This system never shops and has never been done before! My advise to newcomers is don’t be on the back foot as i initially was. attend a few presentations to fully understand it. Once grasped… LIMITLESS. If you need any info contact me EMAIL: gaza27@me.com, SKYPE gary.cronk
Hi, just curious to know a answer. If I am a member of lyoness and sign up other people and businesses and those businesses each hand out customer cards I then receive .5% of those customers spending. When lyoness sign up a major business like let’s say woolworths and then woolworths hand out customer cards, who gets that .5% that those customers spend? Is it divided throughout the lyoness members or does lyoness keep that? Not meaning to sound negative as I am all for this but just a few questions that’s all.
Cheers
Hi Shane, That is a very Good question about when Major companies come onboard with Lyoness and hand out cards to there customers, and who gets the .05% i will investigate this further for you and me.
I have become a Business premium member with Lyoness, as it has unlimited potential of how big you want to build your Business, with just a simple concept put in place. Australia is in the best position with the Asia Market about to open in the near future.
Please feel free to contact me if you would like to be a part this great concept, you dont want to be the one saying(if only i had done this earlier).
Regards
Karl Lockhorst
0414 465 635 Gold Coast
karllockhorst77@gmail.com
I’m looking for a good leader who can help me to expand my Lyoness business once I joined. So if you think you’re a good leader, please call me on 0414 945 811.
I think people who are thinking of investing their hard earned cash should do a significant amount of due diligence and actually go into a Woolworths or Harvey Norman and ask about Lyoness cash back cards. It would be interesting if the staff have even heard of them.
Another interesting exercise is to go the Lyoness website and click the check box in each country for Loyalty Card Members and see how many come up.
I did a random selction.
Australia 0
Blugaria 54
Croatia 174
Denmark 0
France 235
Germany 429
Spain 15
UK 75
USA 6
Now if you include original vouchers and and on line purchasing you get a lot more.
But these are just vouchers that are issued by the retailer themselves and anyone can negotiate a discount on these if they buy enough and dress it up as “cashback”. Also anyone with a website can register as an affiliate with any of these retailers and recieve affilliate commisions and dress these up as ‘cash back”
Are these so called Loyalty Partners actually aware of the Lyoness connection and if so what do they think about it.
Take Wallmart as an example.
http://www.lyoness.net/internal/eu/stores/en-US/11101073-WalMart?dealerLocationID=b263703f-c11a-477e-a6aa-9f8f0160e01a&dealerLanguageID=en-US
Lyoness America, doing business as Lyoness America, is/are not affiliated with Walmart Stores, Inc. The services, products or activities of Lyoness, are neither endorsed nor sponsored by Walmart Stores, Inc.
From another web forum.
We were approached in 2008 to become part of the first 100 people to join Lyoness and form Lyoness UK. Once 100 people join then the paper work begins. We were promised all sorts of riches by investing early.
The ’system’ was explained to us over and over and in theory it is very, very good however it has its flaws which have become apparent only over time. One of the major flaws is the following (i’ll use Hungary as an example):
There are many investors who have a single unit in Hungary who have either neither shopped using Lyoness, found it too difficult to use their Lyoness card/vouchers and/or have never introduced a business partner into the system. Using Lyoness system it states that regardless of whether you shop, your friends shop or whether you invite others to join that the ‘matrix’ will continue to grow regardless because people in your upline will always shop and the ‘first available position’ will automatically be filled in.
Unfortunately this may take decades as the example above is of Hungarians, who are friends of ours, who simply purchased a single unit over 5 years ago.
A second example is of another Hungarian who did indeed work on it and signed up 2 directs. These 2 directs worked extremely hard over the next year and when the first lady looked at her lifeline she could see that the ‘top half’ of her matrix had over 200 positions whereas the bottom had ‘Zero’. The reason for this is that it is widely used in Hungary as a pyramid system as this is the fastest and easiest way to excel within Lyoness. Go to Hungary, see how many places you can actually use your card.. you’ll be dumbfounded that it is extremely difficult to buy anything other than petrol as a few selected stations and Kika. Again, if Lyoness worked as their ’system’ states that this lady would have her bottom line automatically fill up as ‘people will always shop’.
It doesn’t take a mathmetician to work out how much we have to spend to get back our €4000 so let’s do it conservatively and say 8% (or which only 6% can come from your investment). In order for us to ’shop’ our investment off we would need to spend €66,666!
Mind you that this is another or the misconceptions when we signed up and it was vaguely said when we asked about ‘Can we take out our money in an emergency’? the answer was ‘No, but you can shop it off’… How on earth in an emergency can we spend €66K.
Only yesterday I spoke with Ivana in the Lyoness UK office who stated that the ‘compansionate grounds’ admin charge is 25% however they may be able to reduce it to 17.5% (which I’m clearly not happy with paying).
The general terms and conditions have chopped and changed so many times over the past 3 years yet we have never been given a change to cancel our involvement.. if this was a telecoms company they would need to advise you of changes and allow you to accept.
Anyone looking to invest should do a lot of homework and read as many post about it as possible.
Oh, and ‘Lyoness Sensation’ was on last month and yes a shedload of people turned up to worship their scheme… How many members are their of their ‘Elite Level X’ squad are there??? I’ll tell you; there is 100 who have achieved the highest level.. that’s 100 people out of 2,000,000+ so now you try and tell me that it’s not the little people making the fat kids at the top rich?
With regards to getting involved as a retailer it’s up to the business whether or not they feel they are getting value for money.
When we signed up it was ‘free’ for business partners to join and ‘free’ to give out the card. Since then this has changed a great deal. It is now £1800 for any business to become a partner and they must also spend either £400 or £650 on a £15 ebay scanner or a 3G magnetic card reader (also for this price Lyoness UK will kindly send you some stickers and crappy photoshopped posters).
Lastly you are encouraged to purchase some leaflets at £1.70 of which they suggest 100 should be suffice. All up your looking at a minimum of £2370.
Their SME presentation will try to convince you they have a huge marketing tool. This is so not true and they do not have the ability to target demographics as they suggest. When I contacted them and said that I’d like to do a campaign with my business I was told that they cannot do it OR that they can maybe look at my proposition and see if they can put something together.
In the last 2 years the only marketing emails have been to advise of new partners and the occassional reinforcement of their major partners like ‘Skype’ who have now decided to split ways with Lyoness (actions speak louder than words).
Having said that though, SMEs are at a much better advantage to the general investor as they can indeed sign up their customers for a card albeit it will cost the SME £1.70.
My website is good and I get good business through it and provide a great personalised service however not a single customer has ever come from Lyoness recommendations. I was of the impression that when I asked for a maildrop to go out to UK Lyoness customers (all 2000) that there was a plan to offer this in the future ‘for a fee’. SME presentations will tell you that this is all inclusive and you can request this when you are doing promotions.
Don’t be fooled that Lyoness is a ‘family’ .. every one is in it for themselves.
My wish is for someone to set up a new company using the good parts of Lyoness and simply make it ethical. There are many competitors:
http://www.quidco.com
http://www.cashbackcard.com
http://www.pouringpounds.com
I’d suggest contacting these guys to see if they’ve had any success with Lyoness info@pewshamchinesekitchen.co.uk
thanks for your input David – it’s a thoughtful contribution.
Hi.
Lyoness is just startet in Denmark it is great.
Im a business partner in Denmark – if somboy need help contact mé at my website http://www.jojm.dk
Lasse
Hi all,
I have done extensive research into lyoness as a concept it works however very hard to build,
I have heard that in over seas markets that barely anyone is using their loyalty cards as its to hard and the effort agaisnt gaining cash rebates is way to time consuming for people.
Based on product its still cheaper to still shop at other places such as costco or aldis based on the amount of people who need to be shopping consistently is pretty over whelming and not realistic as theres nothing which will attract them to keep shopping, theres no relationship building etc. I have been in business for many years and seen lots of the oppurtunities come and go due to the lack of relationship building. After seeing the lyoness compensation plan nearly 8 times and speaking to the company directly the only real way to keep earning an income in lyoness and its in your control is by recruiting people and duplicating that in your teams, because geoff is wrong you do make money off recruiting other people. E.g if you recruit 25 people in your team to pay 3k the company pays you 3 -5k a month for 6 months, now i was told that there are only limited spots before the company closes the oppurtunity to join lyoness which is false when i rung up the office in australia they said that they are always going to keep recruiting, so in essence i believe its a pyramid scheme as you do make money off recruiting and if thats all you did you could earn a wealthy lifestyle hence geoff making 20k in 2 months did any one ask how? Im an advocate for network marketing, im not involved in mlm or network marketing but with the right company and the right system you can make lots of money plus the extras, i have lots of friends in network marketing who are wealthy not rich they do life well. Lyoness in my opinion just another great thing that will come and go, its currently geing banned in france and austria and also a few states in the us are also trying to ban lyoness.
Im not trying to put a damper on this but im honestly worried for people, you cant loose money as you can use the money you invest on purchases but you becone hurt emotionally as theres no education sydtem no unity and being sold false dreams, ive had people tell me that theres a guy in uk earning 600k a month, which was confirmed by the company as false as the biggest earner so far in lyoness is 220k and his business is generating close to a 100million dollars a year.
Plus theres nothing in place to stop consumers from using other peoples cards from other teams where as in mlm thats not allowed
Take care everyone good luck
thats 220k a year.
The more I look into this the more suspicious I am.
These questions need to be answered by Lyoness and I would hazard a guess that any pro Lyoness poster will not answer them.
You claim that many people are profiting from your (MLM) program. What proof can you give to show that most people who put forth effort in your program actually file a profit on their income taxes?
This program you are promoting looks and feels a lot like an illegal pyramid scheme, with pyramid scheme investments merely laundered through product purchases. How can you prove it is not a cleverly disguised pyramid scheme?
It appears that your (MLM) program enriches a few at the top at the expense of a revolving door of recruits like us who buy products to get in on the deal, without any disclosure of the odds of our actually profiting from participation – after all expenses, including purchases from the company. How do you respond?
In major corporations, the country can be covered in four levels of sales managers – branch manager, division manager, regional manager, and national sales manager – and perhaps a fifth level to handle international sales. Why would you need eight (or ten – or an infinite number – or whole breakaway groups), other than to enrich those at the top?
If I as a distributor make a good income for the time spent selling the products, without recruiting a single person, can you give me the names of people who have earned a significant profit after expenses without recruiting anyone?
Would you please provide average net payout by the company (after subtracting product purchases) to all participants who ever signed up (or in the past 5 years, etc.), including those not now active?
How much are we expected to pay out in products, services, training, etc., over the next year, in order to be a serious participant? What percentage of persons who sign up ever earn in commissions enough to exceed those purchases?
If – in order to qualify for commissions or advancement – we are expected to subscribe to minimum purchase requirements that are shipped automatically each month and paid for by automatic bank draft, isn?t that merely making an investment in a product-based pyramid scheme?
Ask: “I want to be a Blue Diamond (or other level). How do I apply?” (Likely response will be laughter – or answer, such as, “You have to earn it.”
“You mean I have to recruit others into the program – or buy a whole bunch of products myself in order to advance to that level? Doesn?t that make it a pyramid scheme?”
You talk of time freedom. If your top people are making so much money, why are they out recruiting, rather than enjoying the promised life of leisure? What percent of your top “distributors” are no longer actively involved with the company – and never attend opportunity meetings? Can you give me their names?
At other companies, internal conferences and training programs and materials are provided free of charge. Why do you charge for these conferences and for audio and videotapes, etc.? Is this just another revenue source for the company and/or for the upline?
Are the company?s wholesale prices low enough to allow a respectable profit when marking up for resale – at a retail price that is still competitive with comparable products through other sources? (Or are retail prices so high that they must be sold at wholesale to achieve any volume – in order to advance in the scheme?) What evidence do you have to show a high percentage of participants profiting from actual retail sales?
Carried to its logical extreme, how many planets would be required if everyone in this room were to work hard enough to achieve the promised income rewards for their recruitment efforts?
You say that a person can make money doing this part time. Can you furnish the names and telephone numbers or e-mail addresses of part-timers who are earning a good profit at this – AFTER subtracting purchases and other expenses? And have they reported profits on their income taxes from participation in this program?
good luck with it
When you say ‘you can’t lose money’ this would only be the case if Lyoness remains viable in the medium to long term. It also fails to recognise the opportunity cost associated with outlaying, say $3,000, on a venture that fails to perform.
Some good points made David. But the reality is that all of these make money programs have winners and losers. And as you know the losers outnumber the winners by a massive margin., which i guess is a reflection of life itself
Funny how Walmart’s website makes no mention of Lyoness and Lyoness.net has the following on their website:
“Lyoness America, doing business as Lyoness America, is/are not affiliated with Walmart Stores, Inc. The services, products or activities of Lyoness, are neither endorsed nor sponsored by Walmart Stores, Inc.”
I lol at all the suckers. Please message me for more info:
Irunascam@iwassuckedinandnowineedyoutobeaswellsoicangetmymoneyback.com
It is very unfortunate to see that significant number of people are geting involved into the Lyoness system with very little or if at all due diligence.
A a result of that there is high risk that full potentials of the system are either not explained properly or even worse, incorrect information gets absorbed.
As a consequence of such irresponsible behaviour they end up deceptive and then most of them end up spreading their frustration which puts other people away.
The system relies on team work hence support from the person who introduces you in the system is crucial whilst face to face engagement brigs best results.
At the beginning, every new member needs unreserved support and not only love, compassion and false promises, but answers to every possible question and the most important thing of all, realistic expectations should be laid out.
Advice… unless you get strait answers to all of your questions and you feel comfortable with them…. do not get involved… look elsewhere.
The system is completely transparent and there is no reason anything to be hidden…
blyonesspartner@hotmail.com
Brisbane
Pegi, you are so correct. The person that recommends you is your teacher to begin with, they set the example for the correct way to run your lyoness.
If you are not understanding the way that lyoness is being explained to you, its not being explained correctly. Dont just just to the conclusion of “its a scam”. I can say through the earnings I have already recieved that its not.
Thank you